I just booted NetBSD/riscv for the first time on qemu, running on a Raspberry Pi 400. #NetBSD #RiscV #RaspberryPi

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Registration is open - https://www.bsdcan.org/2025/registration.html, register before May 19 to get the reception free!

Also see https://blog.bsdcan.org/2025/03/18/bsdcan-2025-talks-tutorials-and-registration/ for descriptions and tips, also https://indico.bsdcan.org/event/5/contributions/

#bsdcan #conference #bsd #unix #development #freebsd #netbsd #openbsd #sysadmin #devops #freesoftware #libresoftware

EuroBSDCon 2025, Zagreb, September 2025 -

The Call for Talk and Presentation proposals for EuroBSDCon 2025 is open.

Submit yours at https://events.eurobsdcon.org/2025/

Please also visit the main website https://2025.eurobsdcon.org/ for information about the conference.

See you in Zagreb!

#eurobsdcon #bsd #conference #freebsd #openbsd #netbsd #unix #development #devops #freesoftware #libresoftware @eurobsdcon

What #unixlike operating systems do you know which are easy to port? Something like #NetBSD. I wonder if there is anything written in #commonlisp or #rust

There are some options but I'm not sure how much easy are they to port. I've heard many positive comments about bare metal development using Rust. I wonder how is common lisp in this regard.

I have extensive programming experience but not on bare metal or kernel programming.

Boosts for wider participation in the discussion are welcome.

#foss #baremetal #baremetalprogramming #programming #baremetaldevelopment #cs #operatingsystem #operatingsystems #operatingsystemprogramming #bsd #linux #kernel #kernelprogramming

What the heck man? Just learned #NetBSD has #Lua kernel bindings!

#operatingsystem #operatingsystems #foss #bsd

#programming #programminglanguages

NetBSD 10.x Kernel Math_emulation

https://mezzantrop.wordpress.com/2025/02/04/netbsd-10-x-kernel-math_emulation/

#netbsd

NetBSD 10.x kernel MATH_EMULATION https://lobste.rs/s/47eqcj #netbsd
https://mezzantrop.wordpress.com/2025/02/04/netbsd-10-x-kernel-math_emulation/

NetBSD 10.x kernel MATH_EMULATION
#NetBSD #linux #RunBSD #pkgsrc

https://mezzantrop.wordpress.com/2025/02/04/netbsd-10-x-kernel-math_emulation/

Finally ... A fully working NetBSD install and matching colors in the Fish shell

#netbsd

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A screenshot of a NetBSD TTY console with a Fastfetch output showing system informations and a orange-themed Fish shell

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Ran across this about #NetBSD on a 486SX with FPU emulation

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#retrocomputing

be wary of blaming the tool when the real tool may have just been yourself

#sysadmin #openbsd #freebsd #netbsd #linux

Today is orange flag day! I will experiment with NetBSD as I want to see how it compares to FreeBSD and OpenBSD and possibly use it as a new host operating system for my virtual machines

@stefano has made the best advertisement for NetBSD with the 10 year old server that's possibly still running as of today 😉

#netbsd

@MekahimeAkari

No idea, unless it's just another case of parallel evolution.

Gnu's manpage doesn't make mention of #POSIX. The info page might, but who's got time to faff with that? XD

#FreeBSD's manpage says,

STANDARDS
       The date utility is expected to be  compatible  with  IEEE  Std  1003.2
       ("POSIX.2").   With the exception of the -u option, all options are ex-
       tensions to the standard.

#OpenBSD's says,

STANDARDS

The date utility is compliant with the IEEE Std 1003.1-2008 (“POSIX.1”)
specification.

The flags [-afjrz], as well as the conversion specifiers ‘%F’, ‘%G’, ‘%g’, ‘%k’,
‘%l’, ‘%R’, ‘%s’, ‘%v’, and ‘%+’, are extensions to that specification.

This implementation requires the traditional BSD date format, [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]
HH]MM[.SS], which differs from the X/Open System Interfaces option of the IEEE
Std 1003.1-2008 (“POSIX.1”) specification.

#NetBSD:

STANDARDS

     The date utility is expected to be compatible with IEEE Std 1003.2
     (``POSIX.2'').  However, achieving true compatability requires running
     date with the environment variable POSIXLY_CORRECT set, in order to parse
     the time string in the archaic format POSIX demands, rather than the more
     rational version described above.

Just dropped oksh-7.7, get it from the usual place: https://github.com/ibara/oksh

#unix #linux #bsd #freebsd #openbsd #netbsd #shell #ksh #kornshell #opensource #freesoftware

Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2025 contributors https://lobste.rs/s/cvabc7 #netbsd
https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/gsoc2025_welcome_contributors

Congratulations to the @Google #SummerOfCode students who will work on Enhancing Support for NAT64 Protocol Translation, Asynchronous I/O Framework and Using bubblewrap to add sandboxing for @netbsd this summer.

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/programs/2025/organizations/the-netbsd-foundation

#NetBSD #Google #SummerOfCode #gsoc

@netbsd Google Summer of Code 2025 projects announced!:

- Enhancing Support for NAT64 Protocol Translation in NetBSD - Dennis O.I
- Asynchronous I/O Framework - Ethan Miller
- Using bubblewrap to add sandboxing to NetBSD - Vasyl Lanko

To learn more please give a look to the blog post https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/gsoc2025_welcome_contributors

Welcome Dennis, Ethan and Vasyl!

#netbsd

What's the general opinion on doing scheduled zfs scrubs? Likely to be more useful on the older #zfs that #NetBSD uses?

Snapshots are taken daily and periodically cleaned up. On a system used for backing up files, does it perform a useful integrity test?

The latest version of Pale Moon on a 550MHz NetBSD/sparc64 machine. The last portable web browser capable of opening YouTube - slowly, but stable.

#NetBSD #sparc

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A screenshot of a 550MHz NetBSD/sparc64 desktop running ctwm running Pale Moon (here titled New Moon) open to the NetBSD page on English Wikipedia. It is using 516M/2048 memory.

One thing that has come from the reading done so far is that the slogan is wrong.

#NetBSD does not work on the Raspberry Pi 5; only up to the Raspberry Pi 4.

https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/evbarm/raspberry_pi/

But a cheap second-hand #RaspberryPi 4 might be an option. No RTC. But running sntpclock I hope would not be a problem any more than it is on my other machines.

Of course, one of the unknowns here is what of the tools that I have, that build and run on FreeBSD, will build and run on NetBSD. This is one of the reasons for wanting a NetBSD machine. I don't even know whether I can build and run publicfile.

@wolf480pl So yeah, I think that everything has compromises to some extent.

• I'm shure #OpenBSD could even up their #security if they were willing to break #POSIX and #compatibility in general for their distro, but that'll only introduce more headaches and pain along the way.

I chose #Linux as basis for @OS1337 because it solves the #driver problem for me and I know it. I'm just complete shit with #NetBSD which may arguably be the better option targeting low-end systems, but that'll again result in more pain and frustration getting other #apps ported over when I can't just say: "Target linux-#i486 and statically compile in all your dependencies" to any 3rd party as starting point.

@NostalgicKitsune damn...

And I guess there is no #NetBSD #LiveDVD / #BootCD you can plop in on a #BlueBomb'd #WiiMini?

• Or am I too optimistic?

Sorry, I'm too used to #Linux on #Xbox360…

I'm considering running a #NetBSD machine. As physically small and low-power as possible whilst still having Ethernet, USB, and HDMI. The plan is to occasionally compile stuff on it but mainly also stick it in a corner and have it be a minor HTTP/FTP/GOPHER server.

I know that the slogan of long-standing is "Of course it runs NetBSD.", so I know what I'll be told by reflex if I ask whether NetBSD runs on Raspberry Pi-based stuff. (-:

I'm not sure whether I'm better or worse off, power wise, getting a cheap mini-PC instead. They seem over-specced, and fan noise is a problem. Plus, I don't need multiple HDMI ports. I'll barely need one. On the other hand, installation will be less complex and there'll be EFI ab initio.

I have some reading to do.

Yesterday, I told you about incus - today I tell you how you can easily run #FreeBSD, #OpenBSD & #NetBSD with #incus!

#RUNBSD! #opensource #homelab #virtualization #proxmox

https://gyptazy.com/run-freebsd-openbsd-netbsd-vms-in-incus/

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Great article from @gyptazy :

Run FreeBSD, OpenBSD & NetBSD VMs in Incus

https://gyptazy.com/run-freebsd-openbsd-netbsd-vms-in-incus/?utm_source=discoverbsd

#FreeBSD #NetBSD #OpenBSD #Incus #VM #Virtualization

I've been reading an interesting article by Liguo Yu et. al., "Maintainability of the kernels of open-source operating systems: A comparison of Linux with FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD" (DOI: 10.1016/j.jss.2005.08.014). Keep in mind, the article is from 2005 (published in 2006), so it would be interesting to know how things have changed since then. We are talking here about #Linux 2,4,20, #FreeBSD 5.1, #NetBSD 1.6 and #OpenBSD 3.3.
The article basically explores maintainability of said OSes judging mainly by usage of global variables.
Here's some interesting takeouts.
"Unsafe definition" is in their terms a usage of global variables between kernel modules and non-kernel modules.

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Two graphs showing number of global variables and unsafe definitions in Linux and three BSDs. Linux has significantly more of both.

This is interesting: rsync pulls bash, why does it need it? I haven't noticed that, although maybe rsync has always done that. 🤣 #netbsd

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pkgin in rsync calculating dependencies...done. 6 packages to install: bash-5.2.37 lz4-1.10.0 popt-1.19 rsync-3.4.1 xxhash-0.8.3 zstd-1.5.7

Better the *daemon* you know than the *daemon* you don't

#runbsd #netbsd #freebsd #openbsd

#FreeBSD - I had to use 15-CURRENT as the video card isn't supported. Even in 15-CURRENT, trackpad doesn't seem to be working and the video performance is poor. I'll have to investigate.

#OpenBSD - better video performance, the wifi card is recognised but it seems to have some performance issues (packets lost, etc). Trackpad is not working

#NetBSD - video card is not supported, trackpad isn't working

I'll test the whole system with a Fedora, just to be sure that the hardware is ok (but a small test, yesterday, was successful).

#aceBSD

Hmm... probably it's me after all: picked up 10.1 today #netbsd installed, first two commands and I'm somewhat lost :(

I'll go read the documentation again. I'm unlucky with #netbsd - one day I put it on #orangepi zero and it turns out that networking is not supported, now I have to install the library in a special way🙂

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fresh netbsd installation, command pkg_add -v pkgin, pkgin update brings to pkgin: Shared object “libsqlite3.so.0” not found

I recently move my #GoToSocial from #NetBSD to #FreeBSD; to have a look at memory consumption when using sqlite and the wasm thing. And… well, memory usage is about the same.

NetBSD on the left. FreeBSD on the right.