Jessica Kerr, Rein Henrichs, and John Sawers had me on their show to talk about running mail servers, orienting ourselves in problem spaces, being intentional and precise while refactoring, and collecting techniques for the practical perfectionist.

Greater Than Code is always a wide-ranging discussion with cross-disciplinary thinkers, so it was a lot of fun to highlight a few of the interconnections between things we think and other things we think.

Here’s our conversation.